tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post4242847004047357772..comments2024-03-28T02:36:04.078-07:00Comments on Health Correlator: Rice consumption and healthNed Kockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-40090509560549292652012-06-01T15:15:46.514-07:002012-06-01T15:15:46.514-07:00I should say, my body and my schedule tell me when...I should say, my body and my schedule tell me when to do IF.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-19207748586056882832012-06-01T15:13:18.353-07:002012-06-01T15:13:18.353-07:00Hi John. Of course that depends on how we define “...Hi John. Of course that depends on how we define “superior”, and also how the effects are distributed in a population of individuals.<br /><br /> An approach may lead to health markers that appear to be better in the short term, but things end up not being necessarily better in the long term.<br /><br /> In the end, most people are interested in enhanced quality of life and longevity. The latter usually takes large longitudinal studies to ascertain. And we are still left with a lot of individual variation, which calls for careful individual assessment and customization.<br /><br /> As for QoL, IF seems to work very well for some, but also appears to be a major source of stress for others. As a source of sustained stress, IF may induce insulin resistance, in which case alternative approaches may work better – for example, eating little but more often may lead to better results. (Not that often – e.g., 3 times a day, as opposed to once or twice.)<br /><br /> I personally enjoy occasionally going 20+ hours without eating anything with calories in it, but not all the time. When I am busy with multiple FtF meetings, or distracted by work, IF’ing makes me feel good and is liberating.<br /><br /> Trying to force IF does not seem to work very well for me. My body tells me when to do it.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-68971136623530259742012-06-01T07:37:27.469-07:002012-06-01T07:37:27.469-07:00Ned,
There are some studies that compare intermit...Ned,<br /><br />There are some studies that compare intermittent fasting with calorie restriction (one I can remember on BDNF), and it seems intermittent fasting may be superior.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05161850700121191487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-18364644791107107332012-05-29T03:55:10.191-07:002012-05-29T03:55:10.191-07:00i lived in taiwan for 7 years and my husband grew ...i lived in taiwan for 7 years and my husband grew up there during a time of transition from a mainly agricultural society to an industrial one.<br /><br />when my husband was a child, lard was used for cooking. then the population transitioned to soy bean oil. breast feeding also became less common for the same reasons it became less common in the US.<br /><br />when i first went to taiwan i was 23. i immediately lost a lot of weight without even trying just by eating the native food (lots of rice and stuff cooked with soybean oil). i didn't drink milk and i didn't eat wheat products or sweets. i didn't watch tv because i didn't understand it, and i walked at least 1 to 2 hours a day. i didn't snack.<br /><br />the only time during this period that i started to gain a little weight was when i would have maybe one or two candy bars a day before my chinese class. just that little bit of candy got me a little pudgier.<br /><br />when i came back to the US i started to eat the SAD immediately (but not candy everyday) , but did not put on significant weight until 6 months later.<br /><br />we know middle aged taiwanese who are getting a belly even while eating a traditional taiwanese diet heavy on fish/seafood (although with soybean oil). the key factor there seems to be excess calories in relation to activity (office job).v/vmaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06862544306715636777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-23750770472159214652012-05-28T14:06:41.388-07:002012-05-28T14:06:41.388-07:00Thanks Ned.
And perhaps the effects of non-IF (i.e...Thanks Ned.<br />And perhaps the effects of non-IF (i.e. constant feeding) are not that different from those of high-carb or high-calorie? <br />Constant feeding and round-the-clock food access as a factor that magnifies the harmfulness of bad diets.<br />So that the difference between two people who eat the same diet with different results can be down to timing...Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-82870234455945151612012-05-28T08:55:48.913-07:002012-05-28T08:55:48.913-07:00Hi Luc. I definitely think that it is healthier to...Hi Luc. I definitely think that it is healthier to consume wheat-based products after they absorbed some moisture. However, the toxin load of highly refined wheat tends to still be significantly higher than that of highly refined rice (white rice). I am talking about things like wheat germ agglutinin. And we also have the issue of gluten sensitivity and intolerance, which over time (dozens of years) may lead to low-grade forms of celiac even among those who are not genetically predisposed to celiac disease.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-74768287805149139142012-05-28T08:48:47.554-07:002012-05-28T08:48:47.554-07:00You go from brown to white rice by removing layers...You go from brown to white rice by removing layers. Those layers tend to have a few more nutrients, but also more of the toxins that usually characterized seeds – plants don’t “want” animals to consume their seeds, they “want” animals to consume their fruits so that seed dispersion is maximized. The seeds are the plants’ next generation. In this context, seed toxins are a product of evolution.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-10631006388673322362012-05-28T08:44:40.286-07:002012-05-28T08:44:40.286-07:00Hi George. While a big fan of IF myself, I don’t t...Hi George. While a big fan of IF myself, I don’t think the effects of IF are all that different from those of intermittent LC or low calorie intake. Of course we are talking about low-toxin load foods here; mostly natural foods. There are some differences for sure, but they are frequently exaggerated.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-32998227864199162512012-05-26T22:01:23.626-07:002012-05-26T22:01:23.626-07:00The selection of data seems to be somewhat invitin...The selection of data seems to be somewhat inviting misinterpretations? <br />A comparison of rather dry food and a hydrated one? <br />What about pasta (cooked) instead of white bread? Do you still see the same differences?<br />What is more "filling" 50g of bread (that will get hydrated in the mouth and stomach) or 100g of cooked rice?<br /><br />LucAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-6969015057027810042012-05-25T08:43:30.550-07:002012-05-25T08:43:30.550-07:00You object to bread: would I be better eating my c...You object to bread: would I be better eating my cheese on oatcakes?deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-70317693333385123472012-05-24T22:35:57.924-07:002012-05-24T22:35:57.924-07:00Do you think Black rice has the same properties?
...Do you think Black rice has the same properties?<br /><br />(I've always thought it to be much healthier because of the antioxidants but maybe that's not a good enough to eat it!)bennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-8920332791084532292012-05-23T21:15:51.640-07:002012-05-23T21:15:51.640-07:00It's pretty well-established, with much eviden...It's pretty well-established, with much evidence presented on this blog, that rice is okay but probably not optimal. I don't think it's necessary [though many do (but badly), usually in response to an anti-low carber crying out about the Chinese or Japanese] to try to rationalize the seemingly good health of some Asian populations under the assumption that a high carb diet per se implies poor health. But I think George is right in that intermittent fasting gives one a lot more flexibility.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05161850700121191487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-51968599378169618402012-05-21T17:03:47.469-07:002012-05-21T17:03:47.469-07:00It seems to me that, of the many factors protectin...It seems to me that, of the many factors protecting hunter-gathers who eat carbs, including honey, the foremost is the "intermittent fasting" eating patterns.<br />After all, there is experimental evidence that time-restricted feeding has exactly that effect<br />http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131(12)00189-1<br />and see various papers on "intermittent fasting" in humans.<br /><br />One people begin eating regularly, the protection is lost.Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-12693728443591014892012-05-21T11:07:17.458-07:002012-05-21T11:07:17.458-07:00Hi Tuck. In the China Study post that I linked (li...Hi Tuck. In the China Study post that I linked (link below as well), the effect may indeed be due to other factors (e.g., rice consumption being correlated with wealth). <br /><br /> http://bit.ly/aW4XNa<br /><br /> But the fact that the health effect of rice consumption is there even when we control for total calorie intake goes against the main premise of that Reuters article you provided (thanks!) on diabetes in China.<br /><br /> Omega 6 fats overload cannot be excluded as a possible major confounder, but I’d be tempted to exclude calorie intake per se as a factor based on the China Study analysis.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-45605985515848384202012-05-21T07:36:06.869-07:002012-05-21T07:36:06.869-07:00"Two common denominators between hunter-gathe..."Two common denominators between hunter-gatherer groups that consume a lot of carbohydrates and Asian populations that also consume a lot of carbohydrates are that: (a) their carbohydrate consumption apparently has no negative health effects; and (b) they consume carbohydrates from relatively low glycemic load sources."<br /><br />I think that (a) is a pretty big assumption. The Chinese seem to be having all the same health issues that we do, now that they're regularly getting enough to eat:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/25/us-china-diabetes-idUSBRE82O04E20120325" rel="nofollow">"China diabetics raise stakes for healthcare reform"</a><br /><br />I'm inclined to agree with you, since I suspect that the real issue is what and/or linoleic-acid-rich seed oils, but I don't feel comfortable yet exonerating carbs.Tucker Goodrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09455436946187786398noreply@blogger.com