tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post7959000038990419475..comments2024-03-28T02:36:04.078-07:00Comments on Health Correlator: You can eat a lot during the Holiday Season and gain no body fat, as long as you also eat littleNed Kockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-91547284399908906452015-12-29T13:22:16.310-08:002015-12-29T13:22:16.310-08:00Thanks Ned, I agree with your feelings of liberati...Thanks Ned, I agree with your feelings of liberation, and the extra satisfaction of a meal after a fast!<br /><br />What I'm getting at is that I too no longer look at meal timing plans as some magic scheme that must be followed, and so would eat(or not) when convenient, but it turns out, without really trying or planning, that convenience is popping more and more often. <br /><br />So my question would be, do you think their would be much downsides if it happened you ended up fasting quite often?<br /><br />Is there a too often?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-84553599112071004802015-12-28T06:10:34.450-08:002015-12-28T06:10:34.450-08:00Hi Anon. I see fasting as a form of liberation (se...Hi Anon. I see fasting as a form of liberation (see post linked below), as opposed to a carefully planned activity. If it is convenient, I’ll fast. Also, during the Holidays, it “adds” extra flavor to the foods and keeps body fat gain in check.<br /><br />http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2010/05/intermittent-fasting-as-form-of.html<br /><br />As it turns out, I can gain weight, which is mostly body fat, extremely easily (see below). It is during the end of year Holidays that many people gain body fat that stays with them until the next Holiday Season, when they gain more … and so on.<br /><br />http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2010/07/my-transformation-i-cannot-remember.html<br />Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-72780253586526229862015-12-26T21:33:41.450-08:002015-12-26T21:33:41.450-08:00Ned, you often seem to favor a 20ish hour fast, on...Ned, you often seem to favor a 20ish hour fast, one meal a day feast? I too find this a very satisfying way to live alot of the time. <br /><br />You mention randomness, how often do you do such fasts, do you ever spend time living on one meal a day 'routinely' or do you think that would not be beneficial?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-13548931220803432192015-07-23T00:11:05.780-07:002015-07-23T00:11:05.780-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06289135694050967741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-57718390677297878542015-07-11T19:02:40.311-07:002015-07-11T19:02:40.311-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Game & Softwarehttp://forum-animeindo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-74687951427521608192015-06-05T02:46:40.963-07:002015-06-05T02:46:40.963-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.kamagra1ukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11751237728678031213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-54621808064422988282015-05-04T13:25:19.028-07:002015-05-04T13:25:19.028-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mariamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01812964438797620835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-43338420462995805492015-04-18T04:41:07.693-07:002015-04-18T04:41:07.693-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03452094608945809046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-56856394635349979702015-04-18T04:40:51.988-07:002015-04-18T04:40:51.988-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03452094608945809046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-7653190307838079712015-03-13T00:49:29.927-07:002015-03-13T00:49:29.927-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15026288041594022318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-15668664123611506392015-03-06T12:35:38.237-08:002015-03-06T12:35:38.237-08:00Ned thank you for your efforts. Here is that link ...Ned thank you for your efforts. Here is that link to the study discussed in comments. <br /><br />http://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/abstract/S1550-4131%2814%2900062-X<br /><br />Pierrenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-10836989930386536162015-02-23T00:54:59.720-08:002015-02-23T00:54:59.720-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Nikitaescortsdelhihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00490949344471322288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-88154901452339854642015-02-22T21:54:58.867-08:002015-02-22T21:54:58.867-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Delhi Moodshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191174645496237767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-65039157842074086202015-01-29T23:30:35.019-08:002015-01-29T23:30:35.019-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Kamagrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01353422973764182167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-86742454676461973282015-01-07T06:46:52.296-08:002015-01-07T06:46:52.296-08:00Do you have a link for the article David? Btw, the...Do you have a link for the article David? Btw, there has been recent research linking ghrelin and the immune system, e.g.:<br /><br /> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303720711002279Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-33041014086507156212015-01-04T18:06:31.392-08:002015-01-04T18:06:31.392-08:00Hi, Ned...
I've been expecting for some time ...Hi, Ned...<br /><br />I've been expecting for some time that you would hold forth on the USC research on fasting and immune system regeneration (Longo, et al, and their fasting/chemo work). They seem to think 72 hours is the sweet spot, though that seems to be with respect to immune resetting--not general apoptosis and clean-up.<br /><br />But the whole topic of fasting is becoming more interesting...David Isaakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04928598446742324391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-20805479159188575102014-12-25T07:07:45.476-08:002014-12-25T07:07:45.476-08:00Certainly the idea that 14% is simply “wasted” to ...Certainly the idea that 14% is simply “wasted” to “keep us thin” goes counter evolutionary thinking. On the other hand, we seem to be adapted to endure regular turnover of stored protein and sugar, not only fat. For example, autophagy, which is a health-promoting process, doesn’t happen if no loss of structural protein occurs. Replenishing stores of protein and sugar seems to always consume more energy than replenishing stores of fat.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-84385075881359184122014-12-23T09:47:48.211-08:002014-12-23T09:47:48.211-08:00Ned, thanks for the explanation. You are saying th...Ned, thanks for the explanation. You are saying that, with intermittent fasting, there is an increased tendency to use amino acids (and some calories captured from carbs) for building muscle and other tissue rather than fat storage? That I could understand. I would wonder if in the long-term (order of a year, say) equilibrium with equal exercise and identical total diet there is a major difference in body fat percent based on the dynamics of food intake but it is conceivable. <br /><br />Like you though, I am struck by how much paleo thought is focused on macronutrient distribution and how little on dynamics (particularly on the dynamics of "exercise"). <br /><br />I have been doing a modified IF for 10+ years because I find the psychology of calorie control is easiest that way. <br /><br />Happy Holidays<br /> JimRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-75648788659216704712014-12-22T22:32:30.719-08:002014-12-22T22:32:30.719-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Personal traininghttp://www.masterfitnessgurus.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-86498536081653835652014-12-22T08:07:16.248-08:002014-12-22T08:07:16.248-08:00Hi Jim. One way the 14% can be explained is that p...Hi Jim. One way the 14% can be explained is that protein and carbs are “better utilized” after a period of low caloric intake, not being used for energy, which would lead to a lower caloric value for them. This is supported by the percentage being inversely correlated with the fat content of the meal; more fat, less caloric loss.<br /><br /> When protein and carbs are in circulation and not quickly absorbed into various structures and glycogen reserves, they are (i.e., the protein and carbs) prioritized for use as energy over fat. This leads to a higher caloric value for the meal. But when tissues become more sensitive to protein and carbs (aminos and sugars), due to need, they are removed from circulation faster.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-1254145320777290282014-12-21T09:27:19.430-08:002014-12-21T09:27:19.430-08:00Glad to see another interesting and intelligent po...Glad to see another interesting and intelligent post, Ned, thanks.<br /><br />In the usual academic fashion, I will skip all the things I agree with and pick at an item I question. Clearly you are right about how selection works. The main selection events, even if time-rare, are critical.<br /><br />You say "we may have traits that are health-promoting under conditions of food scarcity" and that seems obviously right. The main such "health: (actually life) promoting trait, I would suggest, is calorie storage/sparing. Fat is a wonderful storage method to bridge scarcity. <br /><br />In the modern western world of affluence, lots of fat is not important and perhaps unhealthy in the elderly (the 'perhaps' is because we should be talking about the evolution of exercising people with lots of fat and those may not be unhealthy people). In the situation we probably evolved in fat is life saving. On such basis I would find it strange that in times of scarcity when we might find a rare feast (a big kill? a patch of edible roots?) that we would throw away 14% of the "excess" calories. Storing those might be the life-death difference.<br /><br />JimRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-66097086940576993522014-12-18T09:48:29.387-08:002014-12-18T09:48:29.387-08:00He just posted a relative frequency table for fas...He just posted a relative frequency table for fasting lengths. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8nhAlfIk3QISldaN2dPd2VlMGs/preview<br />HaplessKillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17083823430442743655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-51111601656869601152014-12-17T15:31:43.982-08:002014-12-17T15:31:43.982-08:00The power law idea was discussed by Art Devany a w...The power law idea was discussed by Art Devany a while ago. I think randomization makes sense, not only for IF but also for exercise. Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-69316582974209414632014-12-17T12:02:55.379-08:002014-12-17T12:02:55.379-08:00Hi, have you seen Nassim Nicholas Taleb's comm...Hi, have you seen Nassim Nicholas Taleb's comments on this topic? Here is a post from his facebook. What do you think of his suggestion to randomize fasting with power law frequency?<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/13012333374/posts/10152175039588375<br />"Lessons from 3 episodes of fasting for ~44 hours.<br />Recall that the Antifragile likes stochasticity and variability (by Jensens's Inequality), up to a point. So in order to allow myself to comment on the literature on Intermittent Fasting and modeling it mathematically (skin-in-the-game), I just completed today 3 fasts of ~44 hours each over 11 days (only water & black coffee) and I can report the following.<br />1) BARBELL - It is easier to fast completely than diet. The idea of life is to never have the brakes on when eating. But also when fasting, it is not a good idea to be tempted: you put yourself in a state of arousal for food by eating "a little bit". Hunger comes and then goes away after a cup of coffee.<br />I would say the combination fast+good meals with no inhibition was absolutely thrilling. <br />2) MAIN INSIGHT- The body is effectively an information machine, food brings metabolic noise, and it thanks you for resting.Fasting is like silence after being in NYC's Time Square. It is like not watching the news. Then food becomes more differentiated... <br />3) HEALTH BENEFITS - I may be subjected to placebo effect, so I can't comment except via negativa: nothing wrong.<br />4) WEIGHT LOSS - beyond expectation, and in the right places, but that was not the point. I lifted weights during fasts to signal the system to avoid cannibalizing muscles, but maybe it's a bad idea. <br />5) CRITICAL COMMENTS ON LITERATURE- <br />A- Caloric restriction may not extend life expectancy, and it is a completely different mechanism from IF (Intermittent Fasting). We are made for unsteadiness, not to be "thin". Data shows that thin people don't outlive slightly overweight ones. We have hints that diabetes seems more the result of hunger-deprivation than being overweight since diabetics can be cured after a long fast and weight loss and do not immediately relapse upon gaining back the weight. It takes ~ 3-6 months which hints to us the frequency of famine. So it looks like we are made for a cycle of deprivation, on which next:<br />B- Matching the randomness in nature, it is silly to want to inject routine into fasting. We need (say) 1 day a week, 2 days a month, ..., and 1 week a year, with powerlaw frequency. My next fast will be 4 days, etc. <br />C- The video below has some focus on metrics like IGF shIGH, but it includes the best researchers. Valter Longo is the most rigorous and understands proteins are bad for us, see Orthodox fasts. Proteins harm our kidneys, but we recover if we ingest them-then rest, like acute-stressor-with-recovery vs. a constant-dull one.<br />D- Discovered that there is a huge Russian literature on fasting as it was clinical practice (21 days), discounted because it doesn't follow modern protocols, but should be replicated.<br />http://vimeo.com/54089463 "<br />HaplessKillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17083823430442743655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-38908894262232825432014-12-15T15:44:00.237-08:002014-12-15T15:44:00.237-08:00My weight has been stable for years.
Let us as...My weight has been stable for years. <br /><br /> Let us assume that your maintenance caloric intake is 3,000 kcal/d, and that you spend a whole day without eating anything. If all the calories come from fat, you’d lose about 333 g of weight in that day. That is a bit less than 1 lb. <br /><br /> Now, spending 3,000 kcal/d with your stats; I’d say you are very physically active – correct?Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.com