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Francisco Cervantes and Marivic Torregosa, and the 2013 Ancestral Health SymposiumNed Kockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-59892910424746096912013-04-04T03:50:01.732-07:002013-04-04T03:50:01.732-07:00Hi there, after reading this amazing paragraph i a...Hi there, after reading this amazing paragraph i am also cheerful to share my experience here with mates.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.capitalstroke.com/bullion-tips.php" rel="nofollow">Bullion Tips</a> <a href="http://www.capitalstroke.com/commodity-tips.php" rel="nofollow">Commodity Tips</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12766967937014115454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-44125061794285665582013-04-02T12:57:24.850-07:002013-04-02T12:57:24.850-07:00Wow what a lovely post.I am felling gald on this p...Wow what a lovely post.I am felling gald on this post.Can you more share with me.I will come back as soon.<br /><br /><br />Thanks for more sharing....<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.arganio.com/" rel="nofollow">Pure Argan Oil</a> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09744221562569627050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-37859779398677717312013-03-31T06:49:26.409-07:002013-03-31T06:49:26.409-07:00Another study investigated gallbladder “emptying a...Another study investigated gallbladder “emptying and GS formation were assessed using ultrasonograms preop and at 3, 6, 9, and 12 months postop …”, and they found “no differences in emptying between groups”. So the problem may be specifically related to the bariatric procedure; a whopping 71 percent developed gallstones. Here is the link:<br /><br /> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11792152Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-75226517482286504542013-03-31T06:40:16.322-07:002013-03-31T06:40:16.322-07:00Hi David. Gallstones are relatively common in thos...Hi David. Gallstones are relatively common in those who are morbidly obese and lose weight after a bariatric procedure:<br /><br /> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1858735<br /><br /> I have not heard of it being associated with weight loss due to dieting, but that may be because there are no studies on it. You brought up an interesting issue.<br /><br /> Often patients recovering from a bariatric procedure will also have severe limitations on what they can eat without feeling ill, fatty foods being among them.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-42972401620740629912013-03-30T11:21:08.129-07:002013-03-30T11:21:08.129-07:00To neglect bread and get back to the gallbladder, ...To neglect bread and get back to the gallbladder, there have been many studies that associate gallstones with large and rapid weightloss.<br /><br />If I recall, there was a study published a few years back (I can no long seem to lay my hands on it--it may have been in the journal "Gut") that found this problem only occurred with rapid weightloss on low-fat diets. Makes sense to me--eating fat empties bile from the gallbladder.<br /><br />Do you or your medical pals know anything about this?David Isaakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04928598446742324391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-30329762146692128282013-03-29T02:36:02.771-07:002013-03-29T02:36:02.771-07:00Thanks for your posting blog. I am glad that this ...Thanks for your posting blog. I am glad that this information has been of use to you.I have observed very often in hotels and canteens,Restorents that many people waste much bread,meals,foods.more information visit at <br /><a href="http://www.healthstoresdirect.com/health-c572" rel="nofollow">Health Stores</a><br />Healthstoredirecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17592128661250181402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-40299803228284613312013-03-28T00:57:19.361-07:002013-03-28T00:57:19.361-07:00Great points as always J and Ned (and good luck to...Great points as always J and Ned (and good luck to both of you at AHS). When will they have a European-based AHS? ;-)<br /><br />Ugur, as a tourist maybe you ate or noticed a lot of tourists eat pizza and pasta, I don't doubt it. Italy is a great tourist destination and caters to tourists. What I'm saying is that the Italian's themselves, at least traditionally, ate both pizza and pasta in small portions as these were appetizers. Pizza only had tomato sauce on it and pasta was eaten plain with butter. The main meal was typically meat, during times of availability. Breakfast was predominantly eggs, which has now been replaced with cereals, etc.<br /><br />I don't doubt stats showing wheat "consumption" up in Italy and Greece. I think this is based on food disappearance data rather than actual consumption (especially in Italy, who are still rather a lean people). So, I don't trust this type of data. Regardless, I don't doubt for a second that wheat consumption is up in these countries. It's just not as prevalent as people might have it.<br /><br />Greece has now surpassed the UK as the fattest people in Europe, so something has gone on in Greece in the last 30 years to account for this (my money is on processed goods, which were hard to find 30 years ago, but are everywhere now and corn/sunflower oil which is popular now despite olive oil still constituting 80 percent of the store ailes. And sugar...them sweet goods--a lot of them Turkish, like baklava, etc--are everywhere). Anyway, it was nice discussing this with you. All the best.Stipetichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17599360018738666001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-43089034245702064032013-03-27T13:21:18.518-07:002013-03-27T13:21:18.518-07:00Congrats JS! We’ll meet again soon. Definitely, le...Congrats JS! We’ll meet again soon. Definitely, let’s coordinate as we get closer to the date.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-38308787599073486202013-03-27T13:19:30.829-07:002013-03-27T13:19:30.829-07:00Very valid points Ugur. It is a complex, multi-fac...Very valid points Ugur. It is a complex, multi-faceted issue, depending on the nature and extent of refining, the overall food mix, and other factors.<br /><br /> Part of the solution to this puzzle can be found in the extent to which wheat-based products displace other nutritious foods:<br /><br /> http://bit.ly/l3sjtb<br /><br /> If someone uses bread to soak up low-calorie nutrient-rich broths, for example, the impact that bread has in his or her health may be significantly different than if bread is consumed by itself.<br /><br /> Eat bread with margarine, and you have a nasty combination of high-calorie, very high industrialized omega-6 fat intake, with very low nutrition value.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-79180450341216155402013-03-27T13:09:12.071-07:002013-03-27T13:09:12.071-07:00Ugur:
Health, as related to diet, is not a matter...Ugur:<br /><br />Health, as related to diet, is not a matter of "you must do everything perfectly, or you will be just as sick as someone who eats only food purchased at gas stations." There are many, many diets which are healthier than the Standard American Diet...in fact, I'd wager the standard diets of most countries are healthier. That doesn't mean the typical Italian diet (or any other diet) is optimal...it just means it's somewhat less bad than the typical American diet.<br /><br />(This is the standard metric used to paint whole grains as "healthy": they're compared to refined grains, not to grain-free alternatives.)<br /><br />There exist many other complicating factors. To choose just one, dose-response curves aren't linear, and Americans still eat a lot of bread, pasta, and wheat products. It might be that eating slightly less wheat with every meal doesn't improve health, and that the benefits are only seen when consumption is reduced more dramatically...to the point where the frequency of its consumption drops measurably, not just the amount per meal.<br /><br />These are just a few of the problems one encounters when trying to derive useful information from population studies...and since I'm edging into Ned's field, I'll stop here.<br /><br />Ned:<br /><br />Congratulations on your upcoming presentation! Mine was accepted, too, so I'll see you again this year. Let's make sure we block out more time to talk than we managed last year.<br /><br />JSJ. Stanton - gnolls.orghttp://www.gnolls.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-6816878724249090652013-03-27T12:36:43.340-07:002013-03-27T12:36:43.340-07:00I should also add that Italy is the birthplace of ...I should also add that Italy is the birthplace of pizza. Pizza's main ingredient is refined grain (flour) and Italy should be on top of the list of pizza consuming countries. <br /><br />What I have been reading lately is that refined grains are bad for us. <br /><br />Ned says he lost a lot of weight, he feels better by eliminating refined grains from his diet in addition to some other factors like using the right oils (e.g. coconut oil), exercise etc. And I believe him because when I eliminate wheat products from my diet, I lose weight, I feel better as well.<br /><br />However, I believe there must be a solid explanation about why Mediterranean is healthy even though it includes refined grains in pastas and pizzas in Italy.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864995998698805667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-21812599548365249092013-03-27T11:02:13.425-07:002013-03-27T11:02:13.425-07:00Interesting observations. My experience is complet...Interesting observations. My experience is completely different. Maybe I should have said "wheat consumption"<br /><br />I think the best way is to check the stats. I tried to find wheat consumption per country, per capita etc, but I couldn`t find a good source showing wheat consumption in different countries.<br /><br />Then, I found this:<br />http://wherefoodcomesfrom.com/article/7209/Countries-With-The-Most-Consumption-of-Pasta-per-capita#.UVMxahyt-zQ<br /><br />Italy is #1 and Greece #4. Even France is in the list. There is no country from Asia.<br /><br />Pasta is made of wheat (over 90%). Then, how can we explain Italy`s Mediterranean diet dilemma? Or is there no dilemma at all?<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864995998698805667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-84418345030331826522013-03-27T01:54:04.923-07:002013-03-27T01:54:04.923-07:00Same in France. While baguette is highly appreciat...Same in France. While baguette is highly appreciated and considered important (culturally), it is objectively not that central to meals. The official statistics say that French consume 130g/day of bread, but that doesn't mean that the whole 130g are eaten. I have observed very often in restaurants and canteens, that many people waste much bread during meals, using only the white and disposing of the crust or simply using the bread as an eating ustensile. A food pusher to get difficult items on the fork.gallier2https://www.blogger.com/profile/04285836062429366578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-59446832628061267012013-03-27T00:58:19.861-07:002013-03-27T00:58:19.861-07:00I've lived in Greece for the past 12 years. In...I've lived in Greece for the past 12 years. In my experience, bread is almost exclusively used to soak up the "papara" at the bottom of the Greek salad bowl (olive oil and tomato juice mixture). Otherwise, almost as much bread is cleared from the table as was put on it to begin with. Bread has a symbolic nature. It reminds the old people of lean times, thus making them appreciate times of aplenty. There are two things present at every meal: olive oil soaked foods and feta cheese.<br /><br />My dad lived in 1950's Naples, Italy, and has similar memories(pizza, which was a small crust with a bit of tomato sauce on top--and pasta were small-portioned appetizers).<br /><br />Today, the Mediterranean diet has devolved as can be seen by the increasing obesity rates in both countries (mainly Greece, however).Stipetichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17599360018738666001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-31454922914039760132013-03-25T20:24:33.669-07:002013-03-25T20:24:33.669-07:00I come from the Mediterranean part of Turkey. I ha...I come from the Mediterranean part of Turkey. I have been to Greece and Italy and these countries/regions have similar diets.<br /><br />I have to say this: Yes, bread is a big part of Mediterranean diet. And it`s wheat bread. <br /><br />When this is the case, it becomes very difficult to blame wheat and wheat products:)<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864995998698805667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-25281360139949373282013-03-25T17:12:16.560-07:002013-03-25T17:12:16.560-07:00Hi dearieme. The Mediterranean Diet is, to the bes...Hi dearieme. The Mediterranean Diet is, to the best of my knowledge, mostly centered on consumption of olive oil, legumes, vegetables, fruits, dairy in the form of cheese and yogurt, and seafood. Wheat-based products are part of it, certainly not its focus, and with an emphasis on unrefined products. It is hard to go wrong with a diet like this; it is a diet with a relatively high nutrient-to-calorie ratio.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-66200358989046148632013-03-25T16:46:43.319-07:002013-03-25T16:46:43.319-07:00Since I have nothing to say about these good peopl...Since I have nothing to say about these good people, will you indulge me with an off-topic question?<br /><br />I see many references to the merits of the Mediterranean Diet. Yet when I've visited Italy, I've seen large consumption of bread and huge consumption of pasta. I rather doubt that that's what medical people mean by a Mediterranean Diet. Am I wrong to doubt it? deariemenoreply@blogger.com