tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post4373910109678494046..comments2024-03-28T02:36:04.078-07:00Comments on Health Correlator: Fasting for 24 hours and ending up with a bigger waist!? This may be a sign that you are losing abdominal fatNed Kockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-77527776727180088492012-01-18T08:38:28.135-08:002012-01-18T08:38:28.135-08:00why you don't ask it to your doctor sweetheart...why you don't ask it to your doctor sweetheart? it sounds very strange.viagra onlinehttp://www.mutualpharmacy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-81037701943305511272011-11-03T11:28:04.015-07:002011-11-03T11:28:04.015-07:00You, sir, do not understand gravity.You, sir, do not understand gravity.Marneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01390503578533864964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-26454873912017375872011-09-14T17:13:43.567-07:002011-09-14T17:13:43.567-07:00Hi Anon. Because if the rate of lipolysis goes up,...Hi Anon. Because if the rate of lipolysis goes up, to the point of an increase in circulating FFAs, there will be more fat leaving adipocytes than coming back in.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-14823927524086917892011-09-14T16:09:32.642-07:002011-09-14T16:09:32.642-07:00what if the mechanism behind this is that (as it i...what if the mechanism behind this is that (as it is known) fasting facilitates lipolysis thus raising levels of FFA, but the rate of beta-oxidation is not fast enough to burn all of them, so (as it may be conjectured) they get re-absorbed into adipocytes but NOT throughout the whole body but in the most metabolically active region - midsection?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-33266315345895429232011-07-24T08:01:54.875-07:002011-07-24T08:01:54.875-07:00Hi CS. I think that the shift in fat you mentioned...Hi CS. I think that the shift in fat you mentioned makes sense, and may well happen, but it is difficult to explain the wider waist that so many people experience based on it, because: (a) there is no change of substance, it is fat turning into fat; and (b) some of the fat should be consumed during the fast.<br /><br /> Anecdotally, this wider waist phenomenon is seen in folks who were formally obese, and then lost a significant amount of body fat.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-22250492360140817242011-07-24T03:44:06.417-07:002011-07-24T03:44:06.417-07:00I have no paper/citation/etc. but I think it may b...I have no paper/citation/etc. but I think it may be a shift of fat stores to visceral and/or deep subq abdominal fat. These fat depots are more metabolically active and when you're forced into "conserve mode" it seems reasonable that the body would shift what stores it has to where they are "needed"?CarbSanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17739915307890592327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-84895118826224264982011-07-22T22:59:36.341-07:002011-07-22T22:59:36.341-07:00sheyogafast they typically drink water, quite ofte...she<a href="http://www.sivanandabahamas.org/index.php?page_id=3036" rel="nofollow">yoga</a>fast they typically drink water, quite often lots of it. A reasonable explanation for the bigger waist is that body fat cells store water in place of fatsalvinderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07095702203442778987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-42791462113748896982011-07-18T16:43:59.168-07:002011-07-18T16:43:59.168-07:00I notice that when I do IF combined with LC, after...I notice that when I do IF combined with LC, after a couple of days my belly gets soft and jelly-like - I look and feel fatter than before(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-90201109505695793262011-07-18T11:23:23.982-07:002011-07-18T11:23:23.982-07:00OK, thank you.
I always liked to be in the minorit...OK, thank you.<br />I always liked to be in the minority.lightcanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03050215395108869677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-83402197424955839122011-07-18T08:18:11.085-07:002011-07-18T08:18:11.085-07:00I should also say, adding to my comment above to l...I should also say, adding to my comment above to lightcan, that it seems that only a minute percentage of the formerly obese population reach that point. Really minute. Much smaller than the percentage that are able to lose body fat down to healthy levels (not showing a six pack, but enough to reduce the risk of most degenerative diseases) and keep that body fat off for more than 2 years, which is a very small percentage already.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-71746589925997173562011-07-18T08:14:25.140-07:002011-07-18T08:14:25.140-07:00Hi lightcan. I can’t answer with certainty because...Hi lightcan. I can’t answer with certainty because the literature is conflicting. However, from all that I’ve been able to piece together, it seems almost certain that if a formerly obese person maintains a low body fat percentage for a long time (e.g., this varies from person to person, and may go from several months to years) at some point a more permanent transformation occurs. The transformation involves changes in body composition and fat distribution that are consistent with excess body fat cells being lost.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-53625447477596216212011-07-18T07:48:34.851-07:002011-07-18T07:48:34.851-07:00Hi Ned,
do we know for sure? So which is it? Do ...Hi Ned, <br /><br />do we know for sure? So which is it? Do the extra fat cells atrophy/die or not when not needed? Is Woo not right that because she lost all that fat her leptin is very low, which means her fat cells are signalling they are empty? I thought once they were formed you had them for ever. I suppose it depends how fat one was, or is.lightcanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03050215395108869677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-59326885645638709272011-07-16T08:09:13.313-07:002011-07-16T08:09:13.313-07:00Are you sure that is the right link Kindke? The ar...Are you sure that is the right link Kindke? The article seems to be about endothelial cell apoptosis, and makes only tangential reference to adipocytes.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-83062943517281097512011-07-16T03:40:43.434-07:002011-07-16T03:40:43.434-07:00I found this study recently which seems to suggest...I found this study recently which seems to suggest that dehydration can potentially cause fat cells to multiply.<br /><br />Maybe adipocytes really are more than just storage depots for fatty acids, <br /><br />http://www.jbc.org/content/274/24/17042.longKindkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15841418412425329998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-17847695552696873312011-07-15T08:10:00.623-07:002011-07-15T08:10:00.623-07:00Hi Glenn. This post doesn’t contradict your conclu...Hi Glenn. This post doesn’t contradict your conclusions. Muscle cells are very different from adipocytes. There is usually a big difference in size, among many other differences.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-46564452667795680872011-07-15T08:09:39.510-07:002011-07-15T08:09:39.510-07:00Hi David. You are right. Water can shift from tiss...Hi David. You are right. Water can shift from tissue to tissue even without intake, and water can be lost and retained independently from glycogen stores. Water is the main component of our bodies, and of most of our cells, including cells that either don’t store or store little glycogen.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-3715323408977192032011-07-15T08:07:39.428-07:002011-07-15T08:07:39.428-07:00Hi Beth, thanks for the link. I’m not sure the ext...Hi Beth, thanks for the link. I’m not sure the extra adipocyte elimination process relies on apoptosis. What happens may be simply a modified version of the normal turnover process, whereby fat cells previously created through hyperplasia are not “renewed”. I’m going to listen to that interview soon.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-40863133646872633392011-07-13T09:35:03.653-07:002011-07-13T09:35:03.653-07:00Interesting post Ned. I would not have thought of ...Interesting post Ned. I would not have thought of the extra water, but it makes sense. On the point about the body getting rid of cells it doesn't need, there is the related countervailing point in our book about how nucleii absorbed into muscle cells to maintain nuclear domain remain in the muscle even when it atrophies.Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11930619365150891699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-5735227475314997702011-07-13T09:28:46.619-07:002011-07-13T09:28:46.619-07:00Fascinating. I'm not familiar with the phenome...Fascinating. I'm not familiar with the phenomenon, but I can easily believe it.<br /><br />And it may be more than simply high levels of water intake. The body's water budget is a complex and largely unexplored area of science. (My own body can be tenacious about storing water whenever my water intake is too low--perversely, low water intake can make me swell up.)<br /><br />In the early stages of low-carb diets people often drop large volumes of water, and not just glycogen-associated stores--people watch their ankles go from swollen to svelte. Critics say, "Well, it's mostly water weight..." Sure. Extraordinarily unhealthy water weight.<br /><br />None of this will be news to women out there, of course, whose hormonal cycles result in all manner of seemingly arbitrary changes in water retention and loss.David Isaakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04928598446742324391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-13792595253559130872011-07-11T18:03:48.152-07:002011-07-11T18:03:48.152-07:00I'm hoping Cate Shanahan is right that fat cel...I'm hoping Cate Shanahan is right that fat cells go away via apoptosis under the right conditions (discussion starts around 20:00 on her <a href="http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/shownotes/3883/dr-catey-shanahan-tells-us-that-food-rules-episode-459/" rel="nofollow">podcast with Jimmy Moore</a>).Beth@WeightMavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17725838221780385439noreply@blogger.com