tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post7597380447755508892..comments2024-03-28T02:36:04.078-07:00Comments on Health Correlator: The bipolar disorder pendulum: Depression as a compensatory adaptationNed Kockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-12629870699106443742018-01-30T12:13:15.271-08:002018-01-30T12:13:15.271-08:00Spam comments above deleted.Spam comments above deleted.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-84259074473230312562014-01-06T02:06:50.472-08:002014-01-06T02:06:50.472-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05814372108151329920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-57565683321457348712013-12-06T02:50:53.483-08:002013-12-06T02:50:53.483-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07857284284899710540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-60517725123931506472013-10-03T04:42:35.673-07:002013-10-03T04:42:35.673-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11253992696989137423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-64301956880214000342013-07-19T22:50:23.580-07:002013-07-19T22:50:23.580-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05814372108151329920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-53744975349492180142013-06-10T06:41:11.049-07:002013-06-10T06:41:11.049-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-52740078592026168082013-05-19T23:47:16.050-07:002013-05-19T23:47:16.050-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-56802421263531207442013-05-16T22:33:22.660-07:002013-05-16T22:33:22.660-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.agen sbobethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12296295566031775705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-51290966971387064982013-05-02T22:36:23.488-07:002013-05-02T22:36:23.488-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-12729505944709338042013-03-04T02:40:34.484-08:002013-03-04T02:40:34.484-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05032307801354427636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-85624822086732725882013-02-10T16:20:54.677-08:002013-02-10T16:20:54.677-08:00Interesting post, Ned.
This may sound odd, but I&...Interesting post, Ned.<br /><br />This may sound odd, but I'm thinking it's relevant: About a decade ago, I was at a dance, and met a girl I thought was extremely attractive. I got her number and we wound up meeting for coffee at a Starbucks.<br /><br />I noticed that her mom had driven her there, and was waiting in the parking lot to take her home afterwards. This seemed odd to me, as the girl was well into her twenties.<br /><br />The girl explained that she was bipolar, lived at home because of it, and that her mom didn't trust her to go out on unchaperoned dates of any kind. (It was implied this was because of past events, but I didn't pry.)<br /><br />Here's what I'm getting at: The coffee lasted maybe half an hour. And during that short period, I became more attracted to her than I'd ever been to anyone in my life. I mean, to the degree that it really frightened me. I was attracted to her -- to be clear, wanted to have sex with her -- to an extent that it felt like a mental illness was coming over me.<br /><br />It scared the crap out of me, and I never saw her again.<br /><br />I've read many anecdotes about how sexually charismatic bipolar people can be, but nothing prepared me for the actual experience.<br /><br />Anyway, this makes me wonder if attempts to explain reproductive success in bipolar disorder as a function of "creativity" or "productivity" might not be missing the forest for the trees.<br /><br />I think people are attracted to them them because there is something about the disease that impels others to be so.Anonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09427834129419913233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-64196781127031038072012-11-30T03:08:54.778-08:002012-11-30T03:08:54.778-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.weight loss Bloghttp://www.allinoneguestblog.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-30649088968257756062012-11-29T23:20:01.990-08:002012-11-29T23:20:01.990-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.citrinhttp://www.vitamins-minerals-supplements.org/nutritional-supplements/citrin.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-33986192684683775302012-11-27T17:42:20.137-08:002012-11-27T17:42:20.137-08:00but what is the evolutionary meaning of an adaptat...but what is the evolutionary meaning of an adaptation that only becomes florid when an industrial diet is available?<br />We should be looking at the equivalent of BPD in a healthy traditional setting.<br />Creativity, inventiveness, language skills?<br />The great composers and writers in classical times were often tortured souls - Carravagio, Beethoven - but they kept creating, and only in more recent times do we find their equivalents becoming periodically unproductive through the effects of modern forms of mental illness.<br />Maybe.Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-16166666612621060712012-11-23T20:40:43.317-08:002012-11-23T20:40:43.317-08:00In fact, i'll hypothesise that cyclothymia is ...In fact, i'll hypothesise that cyclothymia is the gene combo that is selected for, and BPD is the less adaptive result of it combining with schizotypal and/or depressive-inflammatory types of genes, which may be adaptive in their own way, but the full trifecta, not so much.<br />Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-119278889748125382012-11-23T08:00:39.763-08:002012-11-23T08:00:39.763-08:00Thanks for the reminder shtove – it is in my list ...Thanks for the reminder shtove – it is in my list of topics to blog about, high in the list.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-70866629271976318562012-11-22T13:24:12.369-08:002012-11-22T13:24:12.369-08:00Ned, a while ago you promised a post on cheese &am...Ned, a while ago you promised a post on cheese & waist-expansion.<br /><br />Did I miss that?<br /><br />Thanks for the blog. Given me a lot to chew over.shtovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16109559722715781557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-13550037160923943312012-11-21T14:22:43.493-08:002012-11-21T14:22:43.493-08:00I see cyclothymia as the form bipolar disorder tak...I see cyclothymia as the form bipolar disorder takes in someone who is genetically or otherwise protected from experiencing psychosis (in the hypomanic phase) and from suicidal ideation (in the depressive phase).<br /><br />I don't think cyclothymia is rapid cycling necessarily, tho perhaps the cycles are not nearly as long or as deep as they can be for BPD. But weekly (or thereabouts) cycles don't seem rapid when you're experiencing them. There's usually enough time to exhaust the possibilities of the state and long for a change.Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-5045179707027896662012-11-21T14:12:42.475-08:002012-11-21T14:12:42.475-08:00I think I have been cyclothymic for most of my lif...I think I have been cyclothymic for most of my life, but it has disappeared after adapting to a paleo, low carb diet. And I miss it in some ways. It is highly adaptive if you need to get noticed to survive. It enhances your ability to convince others, which makes it perfect for leadership or creative endeavour. The downtime is ideal for research if you're a reader, or contemplation - I don't read as much now as I used to when in the low part of the cycle.<br />It would be excellent for passing on genes if it was focused on romantic cycling of partners, as I'm sure it is in many cases.<br />Cyclothymia is a risky strategy and a stressful one for some types or in some environments - it's not a superpower. <br />But sometimes it sure felt like one.Puddleghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00953398103675945541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-88927671758244881172012-11-19T06:54:22.252-08:002012-11-19T06:54:22.252-08:00Hi David. Cyclotymia may be the form that has been...Hi David. Cyclotymia may be the form that has been selected for, with BPD being an exacerbation caused by modern diets and lifestyles.<br /><br /> Cyclotymia is frequently referred to as a “mild” form of BPD, but there are different schools of thought on this. I am exposed to some of this thinking by being in contact with several psychologists that are using WarpPLS in their analyses, some of whom also work as psychotherapists. Some of my research collaborators are also psychologists (several of the chapter authors in my edited book “Evolutionary Psychology and Information Systems Research” are psychologists).<br /><br /> The opinion that cyclotymia is a “mild” form of BPD is not universally held, because in cyclotymia the bipolar swings are less acute, but much more frequent. It is not uncommon for sufferers to experience it as something like permanent low grade depression – again, most people dread (and thus notice) the depressive stages.<br /><br /> Theoretically, it is possible that cyclotymia is a further step in the compensatory adaptation process, where broad pendulum swings are averted at the expense of small but more frequent swings.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-27665085856872114552012-11-18T12:11:11.729-08:002012-11-18T12:11:11.729-08:00Bipolar disorder gets all the attention, but most ...Bipolar disorder gets all the attention, but most creative people I know are more cyclothymic, which is kind of like bipolar without the psychosis. <br /><br />It seems to me to be especially common in writers. From the outside, what it looks like is someone who has productive periods interspersed with periods of where there is a tendency toward depression and an inability to get things done. Most people who live with this sort of thing perceive themselves as a normal person with a tendency toward depression--when in fact their productive periods are a form of hypomania rather than the ground state. (I speak from some degree of personal experience here.)<br /><br />Maybe it's like Sickle Cell Disease? If you get one set of the genes, it's cyclothymia: Useful and not all that costly. But if you get a set from both parents, yo get full-on BPD, which is quite costly. <br /><br />In that case, it might not be BPD that is selected for. Could it be that cyclothymia is selected for, and BPD is a pathological consequence in some unlucky individuals? <br /><br />Just a thought.David Isaakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04928598446742324391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-24820761166642956082012-11-16T04:37:34.820-08:002012-11-16T04:37:34.820-08:00I don’t think many of websites provide this type o...I don’t think many of websites provide this type of information.<br /><a href="http://www.superman-stamina.net/" rel="nofollow">my blog</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-83914935330218196702012-11-15T22:42:05.162-08:002012-11-15T22:42:05.162-08:00They are arriving much nearer to getting some of t...They are arriving much nearer to getting some of the genes accountable elucidated. Over time, several periods seem to cause harm in the mind, and in later life many people with bpd have intellectual problems just like ADHD.Buy wartrolhttp://www.buywartrol.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-78121178055171798412012-11-15T22:36:12.036-08:002012-11-15T22:36:12.036-08:00They are arriving much nearer to getting some of t...They are arriving much nearer to getting some of the genes accountable elucidated. Over time, several periods seem to cause harm in the mind, and in later life many people with bpd have intellectual problems just like ADHD.wartrol workshttp://www.buywartrol.org/how-it-works.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8859456735165996893.post-60066871675067453952012-11-15T17:02:20.012-08:002012-11-15T17:02:20.012-08:00I was positively impressed by how Price was portra...I was positively impressed by how Price was portrayed as one of the “intellectual stars” of the third episode of the BBC series, but a bit disappointed that his apparent selfless behavior and eventual suicide were presented as semi-rational attempts to test his own theory.<br /><br />Having said that, I can see how this presentation would work well for a TV series, a stage play (e.g., Craig Baxter’s “The Altruists”), and even a movie that would rival “A Beautiful Mind”.<br /><br />By the way, the link below is to an article by James Schwartz, probably the first to successfully bring Price’s story to the public attention.<br /><br />http://linguafranca.mirror.theinfo.org/0007/altruist.html<br /><br />In my opinion, there is a very good chance that Price would have survived had he had the access to the mental health resources that are available today in London (where he committed suicide) and in most large cities.<br /><br />Even some basic care could have prevented his untimely death. Price’s diet was really bad prior to his suicide, which was reflected in his very poor health. His behavior was consistent with that of someone who needed help. Harman’s book goes into a lot of detail on that.Ned Kockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02755560885749335053noreply@blogger.com